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It is advisable to cut another access/inspection hatch for ease of future maintenance, nearest to the waste out pipe. Seller: cleza-2007 (862) 100%, (Anaerobic There are also macerator toilets on the market with a 360 degree rotating bowl, allowing it to be fitted in to the most restrictive of areas. There are cassette toilets that you can plumb into your boats water supply for the flush water but this one has a self contained manual flush. These are all types of toilets available on a narrowboat. Gauges will often be fitted at empty, half full and full positions on the holding tank and connected to a control box with LED display. Some of these units can be hooked up to a pump-out storage tank should you require extra long periods between empties. Great seller with very good positive feedback and over 50 ratings. Another boat of the same type on our marina claim to be able to go for 8 10weeks between pump outs. You can empty a cassette down a foul manhole (NOT a stormwater drain) or in desperation dig a hole and bury it somewhere discretely in the countryside if you cannot get to a disposal point. And what Interesting reading your comments, the modification you mention is it something a competent DIYer could do. composting loos that are *not* looked after properly get pongy! It is also designed to use minimal amount of water per flush, only 0.5 litres compared to the average 1.5 litres. We bought our ex hire boat 3years ago and have found our macerator/pump out system very effective. These basic units are self contained, require no plumbing, very little space and are fully portable. This is also marked on the maps. per cent relative humidity is high, always being in the 65% to 100% humidity range fine and is less work than the other two types, I wouldnt have the *bucket and chuck it* types because one must always look It sounds like yours may be similar and I have heard you can no longer get spare parts. Would You Like A Canal Boat Toilet Quotation? We are familiar with the cassette toilet as we have a caravan but wonder where they are emptied when you are not in a marina. The cassette emptying points are called Elsan points. Practically, the most common location for the holding tank is under the bed base or dinette. Flushing it involves opening a flap which drops the waste into the holding tank beneath.

If you are having a canal boat built it is very worthwhile to specify a level gauge for your pump out holding tank to be installed (as well as water and fuel gauges). When I pass through woods, or ploughed land, hedges or natural growth, the composted material can be broadcast. It is simple and quick, taking the same time as flushing a loo (Pump-out type), I would recommend a composter that separates the fluid and solids. More importantly, it no longer holds its vacuum so Ive installed a switch next to the loo and turn it on when you need to flush it and off again afterwards. You have to buy and fit new seals to the toilet bowl and the cassette mounting occasionally. The weight of the waste cassette: My water tank holds 21l so, when the tank is full it weighs roughly the same as a bag of coal. The advantage of using a cassette toilet is that you dont have to move your boat to a service point in order to empty your toilet. It is very much personal choice which one you prefer, however space on a narrow boat may dictate which system you can install. Retro-fitting a gauge into the holding tank is generally more complex. Thus at least one pump out toilet will be needed. Be very careful what you use. Without a gauge you run the risk of either pumping out to often which can be costly or not reaching a pump out in time and over-filling which will be very unpleasant. Where can you empty a cassette? Latest systems have an inbuilt macerator within the porcelain of the toilet bowl which makes a very simple, space saving and elegant installation. This particular model has a 15l flush tank, a 21l waste tank and is roughly cube shaped and 400mm on each side. There are two options to choose from, either an internal sensor in the tank or an external sensor on the tank gauge. The boat has twin holding tanks, one under each of two single berths and we seeem t0 be able to go for 6 8 weeks between pump outs. You do need to be very careful with what is disposed of in a macerator toilet to ensure no blockages occur. The pipework is normally only 1.5 inches wide and it is not unheard of for lipsticks, lighters, baby wipes etc to be found to be the cause of the problem! On that basis at 10 for a pump out, the cost is around 50p per person per week which seems very reasonable for the convenience of not having to carry a portapotti waste to the sanitary station every few days! The pump outs themselves are situated at sanitation stations managed by the Canal & River Trust around the inland waterways network. There is a compromise where ever you fit them as sometimes the gunnel will be on the opposite side to the pump out station and it needs a fairly nimble person to use roof mounted ports. 0% negative feedback. In these systems waste is fed to a holding tank which, depending upon usage and capacity, is regularly discharged into a land based sanitation station, be it tank or mains sewage. For a simple fitting and very little maintenance, an external gauge can be fitted to the holding tank on a canal boat, which sensor tank levels from the outside of the tank. A couple of things you need to bear in mind with cassette toilets; (1) the cassettes are heavy to manouver through the boat and to wherever you are going to empty it and (2) during a cold spell the water used for rinsing your cassette at the Elsan point may be frozen. Its basically a toilet seat on a frame secured over a detatchable waste tank. Dont worry too much about the position of the bowl, good quality units are available where the bowl can swivel round on the fixed base by 180. on the Southern canals! The LeeSan Light Duty Manual Self Pump Out Kit has been designed for boat owners who need to be able to pump out their own waste tanks to a sewer or portable tank on an occasional basis. Plastic cassette toilet bowls can cause emotional trauma for those used to porcelain, due in part to the fact they dont always stay white! Remember with a waste holding tank all fittings must be taken from the top of the tank. The toilet suction probe used at the waste management facilitycan then be easily inserted to provide suction and efficient withdrawal of waste from the holding tank. Canal Boat, Narrow Boat. than through the side of the boat, (More efficient), can you tell me what envirolet you have and what the modifications were. but the relative humidity over there is Arid at around 3%, I modified my loo to separate the solids from the liquid and treat the solids (Squirt A quick test if you suspect the hoses may have deteriorated is to run a damp rag on them and then smell the rag outside of the boat. Some owners of pump-out systems carry their own portable pump-out kit. As an overview, we will say that the days of galvanised buckets and gazunders are, for most, long gone (the chamber pot that gazunder the bed in case youre wondering).

1 sold, 0 available. Please be aware if the Elsan disposal unit flows into a tank this needs to be emptied and often you cannot use self pump out kits. Usually all thats required is waste in, waste out, rinse (optional), a vent and finally a level indicator. Im currently doing loads of research on everything related to living afloat before I take the plunge and always thought that a composting toilet was the way forward. Please DO NOT think about emptying a cassette down a toilet.

me. There are treatments on the market which will deodorise and add active bacteria/enzymes to holding tanks via the toilet system. Thus, the mechanical simplicity of the porta potti and the convenience of larger storage when not close to sanitation points? With the growth of the leisure industry and overlapping motor home and caravan markets, the choice for boaters is now pretty sophisticated. Generally speaking, the further north you are, the more reasonable the charge. I stand corected Allan. The down sides of this unit are: Its noisy while drawing a vacuum.

Try where possible to minimise pipe work runs to external vents, flush and discharge ports, with an eye on how easy the ports are to access when you actually pump-out. The pump out adapter screws into the deck fitting on your boat and seals with the sealing o-ring. Smiths and Watermans should also have them, Cassette toilets can usually be emptied and washed out (Hose) by many water points but not all. A vacuum is created in the waste pipe work which sucks the waste in to the pump. The disadvantages of a pump out toilet are: Whichever toilet you choose, youll get much closer to the contents of your toilet than you ever do at home, but youll soon get used to it. Dont compromise on the pipe work. Make a note in your boat maintenance schedule for planned replacement of this inexpensive charcoal filter. My husband and I are doing our research now and have a two year plan before we intent to live a board a narrow boat.

The smallest macerator on the market currently is only 295mm (11.6in) high, which makes it practical for smaller boats and cruisers. On an existing boat it is possible to have one retro-fitted relatively easily. One is also able to purchase self-pump-out kits (Manual and Electric). High amount watching. The only real way to identify the differenceis to measure the diameter of the male thread on the pump out deck fitting cap. Canal Boat, Narrow Boat, LeeSan Manual Self Pump Out Kit, Light Duty. It makes an awful mess! the cassett lasts 4 person/days, so with guests on board I have to empty it every day, otherwise it last two days. One thing that we would appreciate is comments on the ease of disposal of a port poti down a domestic loo? Toilets Which One To Choose? Composting? This works well. At least the better ones do. I might be wrong on this score and it is possible that it is a coin system and ones buys coins along the way- Perhaps someone else Who Knows will comment? The more high-tech your toilet, the greater the risk. The LeeSan Light Duty Manual Self Pump Out Kit has been designed for boat owners who need to be able to pump out their own waste tanks to a sewer or portable tank on an occasional basis. Cassette toilet systems are less expensive to install than both holding tank types and composting. For pumping out holding tanks there is often a fee. The composter does sound interesting but I think I would be worried about what might happen if anything went wrong with the composting action at any time!

Installation of even the most sophisticated units in this class is simple, requiring a water supply from the on-board pump and a 12VDC feed of the appropriate size cable to prevent volt drop. (I mention this for those who are 18-months or so, until I studied the mechanics of it, I then did a modification. We have really found your site useful. Once the tank is in and the pipe work connected, its a simple matter of installing the electrical controls for flush, near the loo, and the main control box. Some will also have an audio warning. Often its free to dispose of waste with cassette toilets but sometimes charges may apply. Ideally the tank should be central, but on a narrow boat this is difficult. The bad thing is that you can see into the tank and its contents every time you flush the toilet. Remember to allow for maintenance access to the main control box and to ensure it cannot get contaminated by any future water leaks. Blank rotary moulded plastic tanks are a good choice because you can decide on the position of the tank fittings. Remember to correctly size cables with reference to power requirements and voltage drop. Item: 113163796656 I should have included the composting toilet option. decomposition) which is to be avoided, One can usually tell when a boat is fitted with a *Composter*, because they have If the Elsan flows into the main sewer there is no problem using one. A neat door can be used to cover the access hole. to keep it sweet, If it is looked after, there is no unpleasant odour, as some people suggest. Gauges fitted in to the holding tank will either be a simple nearly full indicator or a more complex system to inform you of the actual level using a float. Note: When you pass stinging nettles about 100 high, I have probably cruised by some time earlier and may be responsible for the growth! It works If you are going for a sailaway canal boat, you need to make your toilet decision early on as this will impact the subsequent design and layout of your canal boat. Pump-out toilet bowls are the most domestic styled in size and height. They are not stupid or simple ones and anyone not having previous experience is likely to ask similar questions, so let us be positive in the reply for you to enable you to make, What will be a VERY IMPORTANT decision, as toilet maintenance does affect your routine lifestyle, All around the canal system (And less so on the rivers) there are Sani-Stations. Composting toilets are also marketed as being odour free. Moving From Living Abroad To Living On A Narrowboat In The UK, Beware The Ebay Buyer Protection Narrowboat Scam, Boat TV Narrowboat Television License Requirements, How To Collect Snail Mail When You Live Afloat. Sani- stations are marked on the special canal maps, produced by Nicholsons and other Printers; just pop into any chandlery shop and you should be able to get one off the shelf for the area(s) you are interested in. Theyre cheap, dont infuse the boat with a musky odour and last for years too. There we are, getting on to the most popular of boaters subjects loos! Whilst recreating a vacuum for the next flush it will send the waste in to the holding tank. New to this, so excuse any ignorance In fitting out a liveaboard, is there a middle route of porta potti AND holding tank(s)? In general terms, two people will fill a 17/19L cassette in around 2 days. Actually there are THREE types of toilet usually associated with narrowboats >> They are a stand-alone unit so no plumbing is required, the only connection being a 12VDC supply for a low (<1amp) consumption power supply for an aerating fan. Full stop. This is not always possible but worth thinking about. They use very little flush water and are very simple in operation. there isnt a problem when one has a *Curry Night Out* There is never an odour Olive oil lightly smeared on will do the job without attacking the seal. A large number of marinas on the system also offer pump-out services.

A form of holding tank where the waste is stored is common to all types and it is this method of storage and disposal that divides owners. Which Are The Best Narrowboat Stern Types For Living Afloat? Its between 10 -20. Speak to your narrowboat / widebeam boat builder to have these included. There is also the cost element. I also have a question in relation to on board toilets. Can be used to revitalise dry seals, particularly on cassette toilets that are not used very often. With wider canal craft this is obviously not an issue, although do plan for walkways to accommodate cassette removal. The composting tank has a quantity of peat moss into which the solid waste is turned by an externally mounted handle. The cassette toilet, of which Porta Potti is a make, works on the same principle. Very basic cassette toilets have a separate reservoir tank below the bowl for collecting waste. Self pump out kits are now available to include a rotating drum for the hose which should make storage easier aboard. Location: warwick, Warwickshire, GB, Benefits however include no chemical use and a substantial water conservation. The pump bit of the kit is actually land based so the term refers really to a holding tank system that is pumped out remotely. As a guide,(For two of you living on a boat full time), pump-out frequencies are normally around a 4 week period. Household cleaners such as bleach will destroy plastic seals and tanks pretty quickly so use only products formulated for the purpose. The solid waste is the same consistency as soil once dried and you can bag it and bin it in normal household rubbish bins. There are a few like This winter (2011/2012) has been very mild to date but last year the whole canal system was frozen for six weeks so boats with pump out toilets only had a bit of a problem. Canal Boat, Narrow Boat 3, LeeSan Manual Self Pump Out Kit, Light Duty. Telephone: +44 (0)1295 770000 Fax: +44 (0)1295 770022 e-mail: sales@leesan.com. (In the south, I have heard of the fee being as much as 25! Flushing: The manual flush of most cassette toilets is a bit of a weak affair. Having a spare cassette eases the issue as it is in no way acceptable to dump the contents either into a bush on the towpath or into the cut! If it wont be accessible there is always the option to use ABS plastic pipe work and fittings. Now they're back where they belong, constantly stuck in mud in a beautiful traditional narrowboat. Alternatively use the access to a vanity cupboard. Modern narrow boat sanitation systems range from portable caravan type chemical toilets to porcelain lined fully flushing systems that closely resemble domestic WC s. From plastic to vitreous china bowls the choice is restricted only by your budget and requirements. Due to the nature of narrowboats and environmental regulations, human waste has to be stored on board. It is still important to fit an in-line charcoal filter to ensure an odour free cabin. Ensure that it is not too difficult to access in the future for replacement so be mindful when mounting clips and fixings. There are operated by a card system, similar to a credit card that is pre-loaded and one pays with this. In response to Dannyboyz question, Im just looking to buy a 70ft boat which was originally an 8-berth. The good thing about this design is that its a very simple setup so theres very little to go wrong. Make it easy for yourself if possible and have the back of the toilet mounted against a side wall or into a corridor. Then we found the Vacuflush. centres and I use Bio-Magic occasionally in the very hot weather, (Summer), specialist types, for the people who insist on being green and OddBods like So, summing it up, it works well for us but it isnt perfect. Holding tanks (Vacu-Flush,Dump Through, Masserator etc) Many private marinas and boat yards also operate pump-out facilities. For anyone interested in composting toilets, you can find out more about Allans Envirolet here, Please note that I would not recommend the Envirolet toilet today. The kit features a waste diaphragm pump and all the hose and deck connections you will need. Copyright 2008-2022 PicClick Inc. All Rights Reserved. for pump-outs every 4 6 weeks (Usually 10 18 per pump out even more We jumped at it. When we set out to fitout our boat, nearly 7 years ago now, my wife wanted a ceramic bowl toilet. Theoretically, a tank could be installed centrally if built into the bilges under the sub floor but this would take careful planning of pipe work and regard to future access. These are like an open drain specifically for toilet waste and usually with a water supply nearby to wash down the drain and your cassette once it is empty.

3 watchers, 0.3 new watchers per day, 12 days for sale on eBay. If the diameter is neither of these then the only option will be to utilise the LeeSan Rubber Pump Out Adapter which acts as a universal pump out adapter. At that time all the cassette units we could see used plastic bowls. For the traditional portable toilets with a built in flush water container there are chemicals formulated to lubricate seals, help reduce uric lime scale formation by coating the bowl & provides a fresh odour for the system. around Evesham, I think). Because most of these types of loo have a small extractor fan in the vent system, LeeSan your enquiry details, Alternatively for more information use any of the following methods. As the waste doesnt stay in the cassette very long before it is disposed of it doesnt have the time to start to break down. Any chat on the towpath or outside the sanitary station will reveal that owners fall into distinct camps on the subject of loos & their management. Capacity: If there are two or more of you on board you will probably need to empty your cassette at least every other day. These treatments prevent humping of waste near pipe outlets and enable the waste to breakdown efficiently for easy pumping out. Bucket and Chuck it types (Porta Potties, Cassettes etc) Whilst there is a cost to pump out how many BW sites are there for a sluice ? Considering the ballast weight of a full tank is important. All of them have a plastic or stainless steel waste tank very close to the toilet. Changing from a pump out to a cassette is more straight forward, but installing a pump out toilet would be a lot more challenging due to the waste tank and pipe work. We purchased a second hand boat last year and are now haveing problems with our Dometic vacuflush toilet. Something to bear in mind if you have this system is that it is well worth investing in 2 or more cassettes. If you are purchasing a second hand narrowboat, the type of toilet may be a deciding factor over which boats you are interested in as it is not easy to change the type of toilet down the line. I also add a small amount of earth/peat Cutting holes in a plastic tank is a simple process when using a good quality drill mounted hole saw. However, the pull of England's muddy ditches proved too much for them. When we bought our last boat we wanted a ceramic affair that looked like a toilet but after spending weekends cracking ice and doing a pile of locks in the snow to pump out we gave up and bought a portapotti. Holding tanks can be made of stainless steel but a more common material is polyethylene. A family of four eating and drinking on board all the time though will probably have to empty the tank once a week at a cost of about ?15. Holding tank toilet systems have to be emptied less frequently.

Ships to: GB, I understand that Paul is developing a marina map but apart from guide books having facilities on the map would be of interest. do not know any of these i had a bucket on the joey and used the manhole closet the boat at the time ah happy days, Copyright text 2018 by Living On A Narrowboat. maneuvering a full cassette around the narrow confines of a narrowboat trying to avoid touching curtains and seat covers is hard work. This comment system isnt used much these days. -Designed by Thrive Themes Natural enzyme based additives these claim to aid the breakdown of solids and thus reduce the smells.

Not impossible, just easier and less costly. You will find Elsan points at marinas, boatyards and at British Waterways service points along the canal. Many of the basic pump out toilets simply have a flap at the bottom of the bowl which, when opened, allows the waste to drop straight into the tank. Thanks in advance. You are the salt of the earthYou are the light of the world LeeSan Manual Self Pump Out Kit, Light Duty. Green coloured waste tank chemicals usually denote a more environmentally friendly composition. The idea of composting toilets has been around a long time but relatively slow to catch on in the boating market, mainly as they have been designed for domestic use first and foremost. pump leesan self kit manual duty light boat water transfer fuel John Freeman (Sales) Ltd 2009 - 2022, E&OE; Steering Helms, Steering Wheels & Steering Cables, Boat Water Tanks, Calorifiers & Accumulators, Jabsco Regular Bowl Manual 'Twist n' Lock' Toilet. Simple physics! Alan. type have YOU got? The cost of a pump-out varies. Therefore you will often find sanitation stations or chemical disposal points referred to as Elsan points. Also worth mentioning, the vent size needs to be the same size as the waste in and waste out. This diameter will either be 41mm, which is likely to require theLeeSan 1 1/4" NPT Pump Out Adapter (TT041A), or if the diameter of the deck filler plug thread is 48mm you will likely require theLeeSan 1 1/2" BSP Pump Out Adapter (TT041B). Waste can be disposed of very regularly with a cassette toilet; with holding tanks you carry the waste in a tank until full then have it pumped out.

I wish you good luck with the choice of your proposed new narrowboat I am confident you will wish you had taken this decision years ago! Its a bit of a pain. Even the biggest capacity tanks will require emptying. Dont forget to use ISO standard deck fittings or else you will come a cropper when pumping out. Toilets Keeping It Clean & Smelling Fresh! These units mimic a household unit in terms of the lid and seat so there is less emotional stress when moving between the two! This is the principle consideration when planning the position of the toilet. Some marinas and boat yards will offer this included in the price of pump-out. ), With my Composting loo, I spend about an hour every 3 4 months, emptying Refer to the manufacturers recommendations when cutting holes for waste in and pumping waste out. Regarding the composting types,they are not generally very popular and are What Is The Difference Between Residential And Leisure Moorings?

the dry friable waste compost from the under tray. You need to empty your cassette in what is referred to as an Elsan disposal point. The vent pipe will vent odours externally through a skin fitting. British Waterways, (Soon to become a trust) also have pump-out stations in strategic places. The toilet pictured is the model that I have on my own boat. They are often quoted as a solution for when its impossible to empty the pump out options? This is something no land lubber ever really has to deal with in a normal domestic situation, unless employed as a plumber or sanitation worker! The basic ones rarely go wrong. It all depends on which pump out fitting you have on your boat, most European boats will have a 1 1/2" BSP deck fitting and most boats imported from the USA into Europe will have a 1 1/4" NPT pump out deck fitting. Therefore cassette toilets rely on chemicals to deodorise/ breakdown the waste and for cleaning purposes. At this stage all electrical supply cables and water supply pipe can be planned and installed as well. Because pump out toilets have a large waste tank they dont need emptying so often. I also want to live on board but in addition, I plan to take youth groups away on holiday with it so I am planning to add another pair of bunks (making 10 altogether) and re-instate at least one of the pumpout loos. The reservoir is separated from the bowl for emptying. The cheapest to buy and maintain is the cassette toilet. The only work installing them is to fit a vent, preferably vertical, rather You also have the option to buy (and store on board somewhere) a range of self pump-out equipment that will enable you to use sanitation points that do not have the facility. The tank itself is of heavy duty construction in line with the specification of the system. Canal Boat, Narrow Boat 2, LeeSan Manual Self Pump Out Kit, Light Duty. Regular inspection and cleaning will be required to ensure the seal is intact and clean. I will ask Allan to answer your question about compost. Lime scale inhibitors are always a good idea both for dosing and for the annual deep clean. I suppose you could always have a portapotty in the cupboard just in case just as we do now. every 3 days or so, I wouldnt have the *pump-out* type as this is a continual drain on funds paying In my case, I put this in a bucket, with a lid on and place it on the roof for another period of time as the process is not fully completed, (Thats by the by and is the method I use). These consist mainly of nitrates, an energy source that encourages good bacteria to grow in the tank, overtaking the anaerobic bacteria that generates the hydrogen sulphide gas that causes most of the unpleasant smells in a pump-out tank.

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