While I never made much practice of jointing plywood to remove saw marks when making cabinets, some people do and it really wrecks the jointer knives. Cheers. Helical head with 80 carbide cutters and electronic height indicator for Model 2030 Very solid machine. I always give honest opinions, findings, and experiences on products. Craftsman 6 1/8' Jointer planer. You cannot get a true flat side with a power planer due to the fact that the board will either run on the ends or the middle.
Best wishes to all! Plane to get the faces parallel then use a guided circular saw to put the first straight edge on the board. Great post, thanks so much for giving me this shortcut b/c I was getting frustrated looking for what I was looking for! Its not a right or wrong decision, but rather where youd like to place your emphasis of efficiency. So I guess that makes it Planer 4 Jointer 0. 6 inch heavy duty PLANER with Rolling stand. with a getting boards the same thickness that is less important to me because you can have them done at a local cabinet shop or at a saw mill for little money. In my opinion, you should purchase the planer first. Used jointer- $150-#$300 usually for a decent 6. 6 Rockwell/Beaver Jointer Three blade cutter head with new $50 set of knives that have only been sharpened once. That will save mr a k lot od wood also the problem with just the planer is that it pushes the wood down flat while planing and springs back up after through the planer, some time the wood is not usable. I dont think we have enough information to properly advise Doug yet. I was skip planning or using a planer sled with my DeWalt and my TS55REQ to edge joint it took all day. Lightly used. Those that learn a skill using the manual method before progressing to the automatic method will maintain a quality of skill and craftsmanship that far outshines those who jump straight to the automatic method since they will more fully understand the full process. All pictures have the retail price listed in them, Im selling them all at 25% off. For anyone in my situation I would definitely suggest getting a jointer first, planer second. The jointer makes wood flat, and the planer makes wood parallel (and thinner). The jointer fence held 90* the whole time (some people say things drift over time, I didnt see it in one day but with lots of wood). I guess my opinion is pretty different than the consensus here because my jointer gets used on every thing I build but the planer sometimes isnt touched. You replied to a comment just over 7 years after it was made To learn more about this process, check out this video on Milling Lumber. I think that that video definitely helped and yes, it was pretty much what Id thought. I did ALL of the jointing (face and edge) and the planning on ALL of the wood required for Marcs chest of drawers in a couple of hours that afternoon. As far as a jointer, I would go out to an antique store or auction or ebay and buy a #7 jointer plane. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. The router and hand-held circular saw really make the stationary jointer partially obsolete. The JJP is a quiet hum, its an incredible difference, and the Jet is 3HP! Features: - A combo of Jointer & Planer functions. A planer on the other hand was born for the task of thicknessing. Can someone please provide some background info on the combo planer/jointer? Although it will take longer than using a jointer, you can build a sled for your planer and joint a straight, flat face. You can use the planer to joint. Without worrying about space. I think it would be a whole lot easier to flatten a board using planner than a jointer. Happy woodworking. I suppose, though, with the combo you cannot plane as wide boards as you can with a dedicated planer. Supliment that with a jointer hand plane and a smoother hand plane. I use a lot of reclaimed timber and the planer (we call them thicknessers down here) has paid for itself dozens of times over. The larger point of this thread seems to be that there are more workable solutions for jointing than there are for thicknessing. Your email address will not be published. Thanks! If you dont, Id listen to the advise above and build a jointing sled for your planer. The planer served me faithfully for many years, but a couple of months ago I accidentally wrecked the feeder rollers. Heres the straight scoop on thickness planers. Planer, it is! Always plane ( on the jointer) the surface of a board to get one true flat side. With a jointer youll be tempted to try to tune the board flat every which way with planes youll put your attention on the corners and problem areas, where they belong, and not remove more stock than is needed because youll just be making more work for yourself. So what would you find most useful on its own, the planer or the jointer? Quiet! Any chances WMH will send you one of these for review Marc?!? The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. Power tools can do things that no hand-tool can do. Even if you do go with power tools they will still not give you a finished surface that is ready for the finish of your choice. I would actually vote for the combo. Youll learn about wood too, sensitivity and feel for the grain. **Pick-up in Strathcona SW, Cash Only** Corded Black & Decker planer, works well. Workarounds for dimensioning lumber that I used while I had a planer but not a jointer: Flatten one face with hand plane, belt sander, or whatever it takes, and check your progress with a straightedge. But he sure appreciates the end products. I dont understand the difference between a planer and jointer. Increase the search radius for more results. There are so many different jigs for a budget shop it is ridiculous! $200 obo. To further the point, if you get surfaced lumber, as opposed to rough, its close to flat and the planer can bring it to the dimensional thickness you need. Thank you so much Garth!! I think our first step should be to ask Doug for an inventory of his equipment and find out what his interests are in terms of woodworking in the future. $250 OBO, Vintage Super heavy duty 6" jointer 41" long NO MOTOR in good condition. Once one face is flat, run it through the planer with that face down. And I have to say, using my hand planes is a kind of meditation almost for me. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. This give you two flat surfaces.
That give you a flat side. So no angst over which comes first, I just got both at the same time and only bought the 1 machine. Then find a no. 2-table saw: rip to final width and joint to smooth the edge Is this correct? 
I need to take them down to finished 1.753.5. To further drive your point home for anyone who might read these, I will add that in woodshop class they teach you hand tools first then the power tools second! Maybe 0.001 or 0.0005? But compared to buying two tools at once, those hoops seem reasonable. Edge alternative. Done moderate amount of work. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Ill go with the planer, probably a makita since i cant find Dewalt planers here. It is not so hard to flatten a board with a jack plane (or bigger). I bought my jointer first just because it was a offer I could not refuse, and I thought that if I was careful and pay good attention that I would be able to get a flat board using a jointer. If I was working at a leisurely pace and was retired or just doing it for the love of working with hand tools, Id feel differently, but the guys I respect like Phil Lowe, Scott Philips, etc all agree that the power tools remove the grunt work so that they can spend more time doing the work by hand that will show. But thicknessing boards by hand is a hella lot more work than flattening one side. I bought a planer first and found it to be nearly useless in my shop until I got a jointer. 1 stockist of Canada's spiral cutter heads and moulder heads. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. You can often get two quality 10-year-old tools for the price of one new one. Let it dry for a year then plane it.
I tried putting in planer vs. jointer on the woodwhisperer but ran into just a bunch of ads that really started confusing more more than anything when I was reading the replies. Craftsman 6 1/8- inch Jointer-Planer Model No.113.20682C Good condition Well cared for, serviced regularly Metal stand included 2 push blocks included. If you learned to drive in a car with an automatic transmission, then your awareness and connection with the car is nowhere near that of someone who had to manage the clutch and gearing themselves. Thanks in advance, for your replies.Im an idiot but do have some fundamentals with wood working.nothing like you guys but I do enjoy tinkering. Where I live, you cant swing a dead cat without hitting a cheap used 6 jointer, but planers are a little less common and quite a bit more expensive. Im pretty sure you could get a good qaulity used planer/thicknesser for what youd pay for a jointer. Most lumber suppliers will put a straight edge on a board for you for free when you buy it, and if you pick through the pile for the flatest lumber you can plane to thickness without face jointing. Who elected you the forum professor? Google, Google Play, YouTube and other marks are trademarks of Google Inc. KPF300A Rojek 12" sliding table saw with scoring blade and shaper 3500.00 msp415 16"planer /jointer 2500.00 pf-31 powermatic auto feed 800.00. I learned to use hand planes when I was a kid from my dad and grandpa. The jointer fits 1.0 of the needs. I would first go with the jointer. It also doesnt have to be completely flat you just need to prevent the board from rocking as it goes through. Thanks for the post! By clicking Accept, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. You can (with a well made jig or two), straighten twisted or bowed boards on a planer, but try getting parallel faces on a jointer and see how far you get. Right, Marc. The planer can help you there too. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Like make a 45 degree cut on an 8 board all the way down.
3-glue up and use router sled to final thickness, Would this be a good way to do it? One side, one face. This site uses affiliate links. It will allow you level out the material and complete the face planning that you would normally do on a jointer. These days in many North American areas used jointers and planers are abundant. http://www.taunton.com/finewoo..px?id=5245. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". My big planer is a 30 YO Rockwell 24. Max thickness 14". How many custom wood workers these days uses hand tools for everything????? Whereas I agree on the value of good hand tools (and really undrestanding how to use them), Id disagree with you on the good + cheap part. I would certainly like to hear more about the Jet combination machine. Grammatical errors? In general, you plane the face and backs of boards and you joint (or is it join) the edges of boards? (continued from above) Im just pickier about the wood at the hardwood store since a planer cant take out bow or twist without shims on MDF. Get a copy of Workshop Machines by Taunton Press first if you dont know much about shop machines. ), He who dies with the most tools wins ;-). Greg. Part of the reason is cost, Part of the reason is space and the rest is noise. Was just gonna buy another planer/ thicknesser but always remembered, how when I used to work in a joinery, one of the very first steps in dressing timber (ready for the cabinet makers), was to run the raw stock timber, over the shop jointer BEFORE doing anything else. Once you have the top flat, you can flip it over and run it through the planer. And I suppose, that if the board you were using, wasnt wider than this wide rotating blade thingie, it could in theory, plane this boards face and back too, although if it was really long, the cup and convexity of the board would not be truly planed like the area that you shoved the board through, like in the first part of my example. Excellent working condition, long flat Jointer bed and level planing surface. People must think all that yellow plastic is actually gold the used ones usually go for almost as much as a new one! Hopefully hes got the jointer by now! One last thing, it is possible to get two flat sides of a board with a radial arm saw and a true level to the face of the blade fence, by running the board on the cupped side along the fence and sawing the bowed side end to end. A good smoothing hand plane will clean up the tool marks left behind by the spinning blades. I agree with Marc here, planer first.
One machine takes up less space (important in my soon to be shop). If he specializes in doing things that require a lot of edge glueing, then the planer should come first. Does the 3 in difference on the planer make that much difference because either way the cost of purchase [new] is about the same. Copyright 2006-2022 The Wood Whisperer Inc. A. You can always rip boards on the table saw, but getting then down to a uniform thickness without access to a planer is next to impossible. Do you have a special sled or jig for that technique?
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I would advice against buying dimensioned lumber (s2s or s4s) at the home center unless you absolutely have to. CHAINSAW CHAIN AND LOG WIZARD ATTACHMENT, Scorpion 16 inch Jointer/Planer Combo Machine, KING CANADA Magnetic & Micro Adjustment Knife Jig Kit No. I just turned it on and it sounds great. I agree with Marc about the planer first. Once the boards are lined up, this process is pretty quick. Thanks, Doug to raise such an important question and Mr. Mark, address the issue nicely. If the board is wide enough, I can use a router with a straight edge to clean up the edge as well.
I am not preeching, sorry if i sound that way folks. and this video: A joiner is a person who does the joining. SKU: 60861 Model: KC-12HJPC Condition: New Assembled Dimensions: 51 x 32 x 39.5 inches Shipping Dimensions: 52 x 22.5 x 38.5 inches Horsepower: 3 hp Maximum Jointing/Planing Width: 12" Maximum Depth of Cut: 1/8" Spiral Cutterhead Speed (RPM): 6,500 Spiral Cutterhead Diameter: 2-3/4" Number of Cutter Inserts: 60. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. Has minor use in a hobby shop building furniture and is in perfect condition. Once you learn the little tricks about sharpening the blade you will spend much less on sandpaper so the cost in the long run is the same or cheaper. I agree With a planer sled ro side shims you can make one side pretty flat so you can have parallel sides when you do your finish thickness planing You can side joint finish with a table saw or router (using jigs) or with an inexpensive block plan and shooting board I got my block plane and jack plane at a yard sale for just a few bucks and then elbow grease to clean it up and sharpen the blades It works for me and I have planer and a jointer (Ridgid by the way) as well. In order for this tool to give satisfactory results, the lumber you are thicknessing MUST have one flat face.
Jointer is more important. With some elbow grease and a hand plane, one can flatten one side of a board and then run it through the planer. All rights reserved. Add to that, a jointer, if you try to flatten all your boards with it, will eat up a lot of usable stock. But, if you need both of them planer and thicknesser, you always have the option to acquire a combined machine (with planer and thicknesser). Snipe from the jointer was essentially non-existent. :). Unfortunately its a whole new minefield to cross and a whole new (fast disappearing) skill set to learn which is why Im sure Marc is planning some more hand tool friendly episodes soon. Freshly sharpened blades, 6 wide x 5ft longer jointer bed, 12 wide planer. Then you can use the now true edge to run along the jointers fence to plane the other side of the board so that you can plane in the correct grain direction. Really? Works great, and is very quick. And there is other ways to get a straight edge. Excellent working condition rarely used. Thats definitely a viable way to go.
And the trade-off is you get a super wide jointer, but you might be limited by the planer aspect. Brags all the time. However, when faced with this question, id have to agreee with Marc and get the planer first and heres why: In the normal process of dimensioning lumber you normally joint a face flat first and then plane the opposite side. Its like moving up from an iPhone camera to a DSLR. I would agree with Marc, a simple jig set up on the table saw will give you straight and parallel edges. That makes for a board thats thicker at one end than the other. Transpower Jointer 8" This is a heavy duty machine in excellent working condition. (Jointer/planer) Straighten the first edge with a hand plane. Instead of a jointer I just have a very nice, sharp blade on my small Delta TS. http://www.taunton.com/finewoo..x?id=24118, http://www.taunton.com/finewoo..px?id=5245, http://www.newwoodworker.com/r..12rvu.html, http://www.thewoodwhisperer.co..rs-jumpin/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UONmuQt_98, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5tdS5DEImc. That first side you surface jointed or planed should have been the the side that rides the plane on the ends, not on the center. SKU: 60850 Model: KKC-50 Condition: New Keeps in perfect alignment and assures accuracy at +/-0.001" ( +/-0.025 mm) Fits all planers and jointers with knives from 6" up to 26" (152 to 661 mm) The easiest way to set planer and jointer knives Lenmark Industries Ltd 27576 51a Ave Langley, British Columbia Canada. It is a LOT of work for the planer.
When the other face is flat, flip the board to clean up the first face. Sure, there are some hoops to jump through. For example, a dip in the middle is fine, because its not going to affect how the board goes through. Like most people have said planar first, jointer second. Use Distance Search to find Ads based on where you are and how far you want to travel. Saves on space too. Lumber will always move around, so unless you dimension it in your workshop and assemble it in your workshop, its going to bend/warp/fart in your general direction. 
Im debating whether to start out with a planer (that seems to have been the most popular answer here versus a jointer) or getting a combo planer/jointer. Cast iron table. I went for the jointer first because I had access to a friends portable planer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UONmuQt_98
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